The Cessna Citation became the economical jet of choice for business travel. This is because there are more systems, including the SAS. With the optional tip tanks installed, the fuel capacity is increased to 390 U.S. gallons. Login Dealer Login Register . The original version of the SAS addressed this problem, but the bugaboo of dynamic stability remained. Modifications Most modifications to the PA-31T series come under the general headings of upgrade and retrofit. The 400LS has the Cheyenne III airframe but is powered by counter-rotating 1,000 shp Honeywell TPE331-14 engines with four-blade propellers.The cabin normally accommodates two crew plus six passengers with a rear restroom or seventh seat. You can get a pair with 1,500 hours remaining (that hes just taken off a II that was getting fitted with those big 135As) for $370,000. A third-party browser plugin, such as Ghostery or NoScript, is preventing JavaScript from running. The PA-31T finally was certified in May 1972. Both the II and IIXL can carry eight. With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons of usable fuel on tap, the 400LS can fly more than 2,000 nm at that setting. There is not a lot of competition to consider in this category. Pratt & Whitney and several of the companies that specialize in PT6 maintenance have field service reps who would be delighted to get you started on your support education. Piper management was slow to accept the turboprop engine; some members of the Piper family were said to be set against it. The much-maligned SAS system gave us no trouble whatsoever after we changed the SAS vane from an earlier type with a single heater to the newer type with two electric heaters. Swearingen to develop the Twin Comanche. Thats about 13 months away, given our average yearly flying. Pressure differential is 5.5 psi for all three versions. It uses less runway, climbs and cruises faster than many pure jets. The PA-42 Cheyenne is a larger development of the earlier PA-31T Cheyennes I and II (which are, in turn, turboprop developments of the PA-31 Navajo). In the former category there are several variations to pick from, and the subtleties can keep you awake at night. [3], Due to its top speed over 400 mph, it was renamed the Cheyenne 400LS when Lear Siegler owned Piper, then the Cheyenne 400. Pratt & Whitney of Canada PT6 engines power all but the 400LS, which uses Garrett (now Allied Signal Engines) TPE-331s. This line of thinking has prompted another round of endless cerebration. That's becoming the bigger problem for some of these airframes, parts availability is scarce to non-existent. The Cheyenne 400 is that rare exception to the compromises required in 0000012075 00000 n The original system had some problems, but modifications over the years seem to have helped. Likes: 6. The airplane is fast and dependable and has a somewhat undeserved bad reputation arising out of its short-coupled fuselage and somewhat poor stability. How about a Cheyenne I that has those big engines? What does an overhaul cost, anyway? mwP:5L6r+,I-$X2ijbj)Q]B3ZFTV_ e V'&xT$,lFR/oFN`rX\Kil! W7 }/T]ip'Dl~ little doubt that Piper's PA-42 Cheyenne 400LS is the hot rod of the 0000173169 00000 n ].i{R8:eozN./s+rSr}_" F"hBbA*9.H[bAF,%VxEp!deBBYaf9'g%FKF8x{SCZ Q0n=\CN*k5h._5cg)xw`u4 Jl3lHPEt 0000179961 00000 n In October of 2019, with four occupants, we traveled through Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, Italy and back to Leesburg. little doubt that Piper's PA-42 Cheyenne 400LS is the hot rod of the Reg: N7222F photos. Piper continued to improve the Cheyenne by certifying different engines, lengthening the fuselage and adding a T-tail. AGREE! The PA-31T requires more of pilots than the -31T1 or -31T2 in terms of systems knowledge, planning and in-flight management. cut-off buttons should the temperatures exceed the 820 limit. 0000296378 00000 n Dubbed the T-1040, it was developed as part of Pipers air taxi/commuter marketing effort and certified in 1982. The tradeoff was poor dynamic stability. In Sum By the time the program ended, the Piper Cheyenne series offered good all-around performance, good use of interior space and competitive systems. Aircraft of comparable role, configuration, and era. Problem with instalation. 0000109100 00000 n 0000022771 00000 n less runway, climbs and cruises faster than many pure jets. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. Even if your insurance company were willing to let you get away without top notch training, you should get it. Cabin seating is commonly arranged in a four-seat club with three additional seats available. 0000022484 00000 n startxref J. Lynn Helms became the boss that same year. I find an airplane I like, switch to flightaware.com and check out the ground speeds on several trips. It is an aeroplane that dies everything well. button. But unless something wonderfully unforeseen happens to our finances, I just dont have the cash. Its a shame Piper stopped manufacturing the PA42-1000 in 1992 due to a continuing economic downturn, forcing most aircraft manufacturers into bankruptcy. All provide enough options to permit loading (or off-loading, as the case may be) to keep weight and balance within the limits. Magginetti mentions cabin heaters, torque indicating systems and the PA-31Ts SAS as systems that require higher than average attention. Record HolderWith its six-pound weight to horsepower ratio, well in excess of the Extra 300 competition acrobatic plane, General Chuck Yeager set the time to climb record in the 400LS in the mid-1980s. I guess this is one thing Ill investigate over the next year while flying high in my Cheyenne. Required fields are marked *. The value of our Cheyenne is almost down to the run out price, so the next year is essentially free. On the other hand, one engine burns less gas, has only one prop, etc. What would I like to improve? aircraft design. Airline: Private. It also was the end of production of the PA-31T series, although production was planned to be restarted in Lakeland for the IA and IIXL. It carries more and further and does it all for about half the cost of a comparable bizjet. But it was too late to start the Cheyenne from scratch. This is an invitation to disaster, because it can easily put weight too far aft. For both individual and corporate owners, the early Cheyennes make sense as step-up purchases, as long as the combination of low price, low maintenance, and high-performance remains in vogue. As a result, the aircraft can travel more than 2,000 nm in a long-range cruise. 0000176565 00000 n I just saw a perfectly flyable Beechjet get parted out because the cost of the upcoming service interval essentially totaled the aircraft. 17 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 19 /H [ 1122 283 ] /L 38316 /E 23523 /N 5 /T 37858 >> endobj xref 17 36 0000000016 00000 n 0000001067 00000 n 0000001405 00000 n 0000001612 00000 n 0000001748 00000 n 0000002090 00000 n 0000002404 00000 n 0000006240 00000 n 0000006446 00000 n 0000007290 00000 n 0000007475 00000 n 0000007966 00000 n 0000008485 00000 n 0000008975 00000 n 0000009725 00000 n 0000010134 00000 n 0000017979 00000 n 0000018000 00000 n 0000018781 00000 n 0000018802 00000 n 0000019444 00000 n 0000019465 00000 n 0000020118 00000 n 0000020139 00000 n 0000020727 00000 n 0000020748 00000 n 0000021428 00000 n 0000021449 00000 n 0000022091 00000 n 0000022200 00000 n 0000022221 00000 n 0000022916 00000 n 0000022937 00000 n 0000023294 00000 n 0000001122 00000 n 0000001384 00000 n trailer << /Size 53 /Info 16 0 R /Root 18 0 R /Prev 37848 /ID[] >> startxref 0 %%EOF 18 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 15 0 R >> endobj 51 0 obj << /S 120 /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 52 0 R >> stream So the SAS allowed the airplane to meet the letter of the law, but that didnt produce an airplane with desirable handling qualities. It pays to experiment (but dont judge the affects just by the pilots reaction. Operated within their limits, there are few peculiar characteristics other than the pitch sensitivity of the original Cheyenne. In this condition, you could take off, climb to 29,000 ft, cruise at 250 KTAS or so, and have an IFR range of about 1,170 nautical miles and an endurance of 4 hours 30 minutes. high level of residual thrust, even at flight idle as the aeroplane was Empty weight is 6837 lb (3101 kg) and maximum takeoff weight is 11,200 lb (5080 kg). While there are variations with equipment options, when lightly loaded cg is toward the forward limit and the airplanes are nose heavy. There are two major branches to the design family. The Cheyenne I was certified in March, 1978. Garrett TPE 331-engined airplanes, such as the Aero Commanders, Mitsubishi MU-2s or even Swearingen (Fairchild) Merlin II and III models are a totally different category and set of considerations. The plane must be flown within its loading envelope or there can be big trouble for the occupants. With the post start checks complete, it was apparent the engines produce a The Cheyenne 400LS is the largest and most powerful of Piper's turboprop twins, derived from the PA-31 Navajo. Should we pay to overhaul the engines? Each inboard main cell has two submerged boost pumps to supply fuel to the engine. The Honeywell (Garrett) TPE-331-14 is rated to a maximum of 1,650 shaft horsepower. When it came time to upgrade from our Cessna 340A, our primary mission of flying from Northern Virginia to South Florida had expanded to include transcontinental and European flights (as well as a flight around the world thrown on the bucket list for good measure). turned on and the starter button is pressed. The cabin lacks the headroom of a King Air, but large windows help give it a more airy feeling. 0000042969 00000 n During certification, longitudinal stability was an issue, and an elaborate "stability augmentation system" (SAS) was installed in the II series.. If maximum cabin space is an issue, the IIXL is the best bet. The Piper PA-42 Cheyenne is a turboprop aircraft built by Piper Aircraft. In our case, we took this seat out, wrapped it up in plastic, and left it in the hangar during the entire period we owned the plane. be a direct competitor to the staid Beechcraft King Air 200. 0000022600 00000 n I flew the 400LS for a spell. These other airplanes come in two varieties: another Cheyenne for which another owner has taken the leap and done the engines and now has to sell; or a different airplane such as a single-engine turboprop. <<43087BFE760D084A93D684AE8A160064>]/Prev 302018/XRefStm 2458>> important implications during ground handling. Production was halted after just one year of production. Start your free trial today! be a direct competitor to the staid Beechcraft King Air 200. A number of pilots have commented on the pitch sensitivity of the original Cheyenne during maximum power climb, with cg toward the aft limit and in approach mode. [3] Variants[edit] Cheyenne III, model PA-42, equipped with Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6-41 engines The massive Dowty-Rotol composite propellers are expensive and have only eight inches of ground clearance, leading to erosion problems. The company painted a Cheyenne demonstrator in a blueprint format to point out all the technical advantages Piper marketing people perceived for the design. Ground handling is easy and straightforward, but taxiing will result in two very bruised knees if any sharp turns are required. 0000013245 00000 n Insulation and trim was changed to increase finished interior dimensions. Because of the reduced power, initial climb rate dropped by almost 1,000 fpm compared to the original model, and maximum cruise speed fell by 40 knots. They are kidding themselves, since the reason theres no SAS is because the PT6A-11 engines are substantially downrated, and produce much less power. company on the then new Citation. AN TOP SPEED IS ;360 KNOTS TOO. 0000008972 00000 n About that SAS As noted above, Pipers artificial and marginal fix to the longitudinal instability of the original Cheyenne turned into a blot on the entire series. To the pilot, such an airplane will have a normal feel. Learn how your comment data is processed. When the IIXL was announced, Thomas Gillespie, then Pipers head of marketing, was asked if production of the II was going to end. So we now face the dilemma confronting many fellow airplane owners, whether they be the proud possessor of a Cessna 172 or a Falcon 50: what to do with a great airplane of a certain age that is bumping up against another mandated and expensive intervention. The company also makes what are called Speed Stacks, specially shaped exhaust stacks that are claimed to improve speed and reduce exhaust deposits on the aircraft. Its a pretty unique airplane. The aircraft is not the easiest to keep straight on the centre line. Corrosion of the airframe has been rare, thanks to Pipers use of extensive anti-corrosion treatments and epoxy primers. Parts availability for older Cheyennes hasnt been a problem. One design problem needs a full explanation, however. The massive Dowty-Rotol composite propellers are expensive and have only eight inches of ground clearance, leading to erosion problems. The cabin is fine for three or four passengers even on longer flights, especially with the club seating arrangement. It has a wider cg range than the I or IIXL (138 inches aft limit compared to 136) and is far more sensitive in pitch (more on this below). executive turbine fraternity. In the normal category all aerobatic maneuvers including spins are prohibited. off and attention must then be shifted to the EGTs. Careless support can bite in terms of airworthiness, higher cost and accelerated loss of value. The Garretts have sophisticated protection systems built in. The aircraft The trick, as always, is to find the airplane that offers the most features for the money, fits typical mission requirements, and hits a prospective owners emotional hot buttons. A review of briefs of the 56 accident and incident reports a typical five-year period include eight fatal accidents, two of which were in commercial T-1040s. The imposing view is not just eye candy, eitherthis airplane has the performance to back it up. My boss did the same: I wanted the King Air, but it was too costly then. To sweeten the deal, the Cheyenne I was some $100,000 less than the 620-shp model. apart from improving ground clearance, will increase the maximum speed A bonus is the fact that it is a beautifully aggressive and unique airplane. A power-to-weight ratio of 6 pounds/horsepower speaks volumes about the performance capabilities of the 400LS. In 1981, auto-ignition was first offered as an option. 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He knows the market and also has a straightforward way about him that belies his former career as a player in the National Football League. A true performer (Single Pilot) that resembles Jet Performace for half of the fuel burn and operational cost. In the worst accident in terms of loss of life, seven people were killed when an ATP took off in a IIXL and tried to scud run but hit the side of a mountain. 0000052341 00000 n However, as speed built up, so lateral stability improved and we were very Textron Aviation Marks Delivery of 400th Citation CJ4 Gen2, Boeing Reports First Quarter Net Loss on Higher Revenue, House Hunting As a First-Time Airplane Owner, Single-Engine Turboprop Commercial Ops in the EU Still in a Tangled Web, Aura Aeros Integral S Moves Closer to Its First Flight, General Aviation Has a Great Sustainability Story To Tell. 0000008359 00000 n Of the original 44 aircraft, just over 20 are believed to be flying in the United States today. The Piper 400LS has everything I am looking for. The plane is easy to load through its large rear and nose baggage doors, allowing a wide range for CG. And archaic autopilots can represent in-flight hazards if they are not meticulously maintained and rigged. What is the maintenance cost on the Cheyenne? (More on this later.) Its empennage was enlarged for stability at higher speeds and altitudes, and its fuselage was strengthened. One additional factor I believe to be absolutely necessary is that pilots flying the Cheyenne should attend the Flight Safety school on the Cheyenne on a recurrent basis. HUMo@W19t]TYjP &1=HR HucfsO%pH/PKI-Ac@UMVpV" euht/V.:zM#5&&N3Degj\_4%:!8OPqbU:~077fa@" Y Its power-to-weight ratio of 6 lbs/hp allows for a climb rate of 3,200 feet per minute and a cruise speed of 350 knots. A week or so after flying this I flew a Kingair200 thought on initial T/O that there was something wrong as acceleration was so slow compared to the 400LS. Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. The Cheyenne, according to the accident brief, hit the ground while in a vertical dive. The TBM is smaller than the Cheyenne and has no potty, but you get there so quickly, Im sure I can hold on long enough. The airplane has two imposing TPE331-14 engines, each capable of producing 1,600+ SHP de-rated to 1,000 HP at its five-bladed MT propellers. I find this overhaul prospect both financially frightening and, in another sense, slightly ironic. endstream endobj 182 0 obj <>/Metadata 4 0 R/Pages 3 0 R/StructTreeRoot 6 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 183 0 obj >/PageWidthList<0 612.0>>>>>>/Resources<>/ExtGState<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC/ImageI]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 0/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 184 0 obj <> endobj 185 0 obj <> endobj 186 0 obj <> endobj 187 0 obj [/Indexed/DeviceCMYK 16 198 0 R] endobj 188 0 obj <>stream The most severe case was attributed to improper paint stripping. More powerful and faster airliner development of PA-42-720 Cheyenne 3. I hope Im going to be as wise. Ive never flown one and am not sure how I feel about taking a Malibu and bolting a PT6 on the front of an airframe designed for a 350 horsepower piston. 0000042996 00000 n these blades will suffer when used on dirt airstrips, the clearance has 0000002116 00000 n the company would, completely out of character, do something either The contenders are the Piper Meridian, the jet-prop and the TBM. 0000052743 00000 n Piper was never noted for sophisticated engineering. The PA-42-1000 Cheyenne 400LS seats up to 10 passengers plus 1 pilot. Gear and flap speeds are sufficiently high to fit in to a wide range of traffic situations. It successfully smashed all the records in its class and set overall records to 6,000 and 12,000 meters. In the summer, when the effective density altitude is higher, attempting to hand-fly at that altitude is simply impossible. Compared to the I, these engine improvements gave the IA up to 12 more knots at the IAs service ceiling of 29,000 feet and about 6 knots at maximum cruise power and 12,000 feet. The turbine engines are so reliable that Ive the sense that, given my modest piloting skills, Id be safer in a single turbine than in a Baron. This is the only COMPLETE (RVSM,FULL PAID MSP) AVAILABLE! The courses offered by outfits such as FlightSafety International and SimCom, which include extensive classroom and simulator time, are excellent for obtaining and maintaining Cheyenne proficiency. Other factors contributed to this, foremost among them a battle for control of the company that began in 1969 and that was not resolved until 1977 and the flood that devastated the Lock Haven plant. What about a jet-prop? Piper PA-42-1000 PA-42-1000 (Cheyenne 400LS) Engine: Honeywell TPE331-14A/B A Division of World's Largest MT-Propeller Distributor To learn more about this prop 866-717-1117 www. The record shows that, when it comes to safely stepping up to turboprops, there is simply no substitute for a regimen of structured recurrent training. Ive talked to several experts. endstream endobj 268 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[6 175]/Length 29/Size 181/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream That is a fair description of the original Cheyenne. Changes Many elements of the first Cheyenne fit the Mickey Mouse appellation that was applied to all Piper airplanes. Apparently, any Written by Twin and Turbine Magazine With 24 volts required, the pumps are Speeds in excess of 400 MPH, 41,000 Foot Ceiling. Of course, you usually need both at the same time. There is enough to manage in a Cheyenne even in good weather that it definitely is in the category of a check list airplane. Yet, in one the airplane was clearly out of weight and balance limits and in the other there is a suspicion that the airplane was improperly loaded. On this particular aircraft, the most stable ILS approaches are flown at 140 knots, in order to keep the phugoid from becoming a problem. At all phases of flight, the cabin noise was less than I remember it being The airplane failed to meet FAA stability requirements, so it was back to the drawing board for a fix. 0000094308 00000 n More comfortable. The comments in the accident brief note that the regular pilot refused the trip because of the weather. This thread reminds me of the day that I decided to buy a Huey. There have been more than enough lectures about the need to be very serious about all aspects of caring for and operating this type of airplane. The toughest aspect of maneuvering in the traffic pattern in pre-1980 Cheyennes is the restricted visibility. Most of the pilots involved in the reported accidents and incidents held ATP or commercial certificates; eight of the total held private licenses and one, a fatal accident, was flown by a student pilot. While there still was much to be done, the improvements were credible and very apparent. Back in It carries Radar and known-icing equipment are. 0000042281 00000 n Thomas A. Horne, AOPA Pilot, June 1993. 0000012000 00000 n Thats a recipe for a bad accident rate. What Does a Pilot Require To Remain Current in an Aircraft Requiring a Type Rating? https://www.trade-a-plane.com/searc&model=24E&listing_id=2394659&s-type=aircraft, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Only three ADs apply specifically to the I and none to the IIXL, although most apply to all three. 0000011922 00000 n Viewed from the front, the 400LS has perhaps the most exemplary impression of raw power of any airplane. PAY4 Executive transport aircraft. Turboprop Aircraft. With just 20 sales, the IA is the rarest Cheyenne. Still, thats a lot more money than overhauling the engines on our airplane. 1. The available power of 620 SHP is too much for the configuration of the Cheyenne with loading toward the aft range. Today, my wife and I are the proud owners of N7222F, a 1987 PA42-1000. 0000151773 00000 n You can even see the horizontal stabilizer. Tip tanks became standard. Belvoir Media Group, LLC. Studying the Pilot's manual The system met the letter of FAA certification requirements in terms of achieving stick-free longitudinal stability but it did nothing for, and possibly aggravated, long-period phugoid divergence (in something approaching English, if pitch input moves the aircraft away from its trim airspeed, it tends to accelerate quickly in that direction, then recover abruptly [pull up or push over] with the divergence increasing with each cycle). A lot of early buyers liked the high climb rate and comparatively good short field performance in addition to its high cruise speeds. had the aircraft off the runway and heading up at an amazing rate of climb. As to the latter, the bluebook says $120,000 to $160,000 per side, and thats a lot, but Ive heard horror stories some apocryphal suggesting that once the engine is opened, it is not uncommon to hear that the price has escalated. His insight on actual ownership cost would be insightful. So I wrestle daily with these calculations and estimations. Some owners report that the 400LS lacks the build quality compared to a King Air and its rarity can cause head scratches from mechanics who may never have seen one. 0000069142 00000 n You're a power user moving through this website with super-human speed. It is an aeroplane that dies everything well. -n!Zf`Wb | 9jL+_.6b|*3CY>D{}cLtGc"N%%y,IgR?/Mp6e>oBN)RLsSp#fS-4[4TkH-%K]u*[44Y#n The original Cheyenne is designated PA-31T. 0000013091 00000 n Early versions tend to be dark and cramped. Deliveries began in early 1974 - a long time All rights reserved. The 400LS is the only twin-engine turboprop that can outperform single and twin-engine civilian turbine and light jets in door to door speed and piston twins in efficiency for a given payload. after the King Air was launched. 0000261462 00000 n 0000012901 00000 n Of course, high on the list of importance is speed. There is a lot to it. There is no SAS or other device required on the I/IA or IIXL. The electric aux heat works fine, but cant be used if the de-ice equipment is on, because of the electrical overload. Torque limiters protect the engines from injudicious applications of power AM With its powerful Garrett TPE 331-14-801 turboprop powerplants and capable systems, Piper's Cheyenne 400LS operates quite comfortably at altitudes as high as 41,000 feet while achieving impressive speeds The 400LS has 100-hour inspection intervals, engine midlife inspections are due at 1,500 hours and overhaulscome at 3,000 hours. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. One famous such move was to call in Ed Most are not repetitive. The 400LS was initially designated as IV before finally being called a "400 . The Cheyenne and other sophisticated, high performance airplanes will each your lunch and/or your purse. Nothing much changed but the name, though many still think the Cheyenne and Cheyenne II are two different airplanes. Initial rate of climb was about 6,000 feet per minute at the light weight used for the record flight.
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