My bishops credibility sank. (Well, OK, I did). If she doesnt defer and speaks up too much about that he can release her as well. The problem is that people tended to ignore the Prophets teachings: just because we need to support the doctrine of plural marriage doesnt mean every individual has to personally enter into a plural marriage. This is their choice. @lws, that whole series (I think its in 6 parts) is really good and eye-opening. I stood there in shock thinking, The book was dead right. @Jack Hughes, since writing this post Ive heard they also recite the BoM scripture that we are saved by Christ after all we can do. No witness couple. @kristi, those are big topics and I dont have the emotional energy to go into them all, especially because there is so much already written about those topics so I will mostly be sharing links. I know some do like it, find it peaceful & spiritualbully for them!but a whole lot of the ones who claim to either like it or that they feel like they should go more often secretly dislike it and just dont want to admit it to others (due to social pressure) or themselves (due to thinking they arent good people for not liking it). 1. Changing details about the endowment will not change the fact that it denies that the atonement is all we need to be reconciled to God. Do leaders understand the symbolism of the fig tree/leaf/fruit? Satan has more lines, more screen time and a much more consequential role. Some of the most notable were long-term volunteer positions becoming service missionary opportunities, including administration (office), youth center, clothing or laundry, custodial, facilities maintenance, grounds, and security. To call the first principles of the gospel the law of the gospel is equally absurdparticularly because doing so conflates covenant and ordinance. And I only touched lightly on the covenants! Too much has fallen apart in the interim. Congregations in the US and Canada will be able to participate every other year. I know this because my non-heathen spouse is teaching the course in our ward at the moment and is constantly looking for better material. Ordinance is not covenant (in the case of baptism, for example). Complementarity might help, as opposed to complimentarity. But the Church doesnt exist in a vacuum. So the new movies came out in 2013 and were used until January 2019. The 2019 slide show was gone and no movie replaced it. We either believe Jesus and follow him, or we follow the brethren and do what they tell us we need to do instead of what Jesus told us we needed to do. You also might note that women are no longer veiled in the temple. I also realized after reading this blog post that I havent talked to any Millennials or Gen Zers about their temple experiences, and I wonder how these modifications have changed the temple experience for them. . Youre agreeing to not ever discuss the weirdness of what you see with anyone. I appreciate your engagement on this topic. Fingers crossed, we are well on the path toward getting rid of garments once and for all. We inherit from the womb-like fig symbol, the Gate to the First Estate, which is the Mortal Body, identified by Flesh and Blood, and from the Second Estate, the Resurrected, Immortal Bodyidentified by the incorruptible linen garment, a skin, or covering of Light. For the Strength of Youth conferences were postponed during the pandemic but will begin again in 2022 and 2023. I believe the continued temple emphasis by the Church exists mainly as a way to keep members attending and paying money. As for the implications, maybe recognizing that the instructions change according to the needs of the people will help temple attendees to identify the endowment. What if we had a second income from a second wife? He piggy backs on virtue in order to get the job done. To skip the meat offering is unrighteousness. I hope youll let me know what those are in the days to come, if you can. LDS Endowment This website provides access to current and historical texts of the endowment, without exposing those few portions of the ceremony that are explicitly reserved for initiates. The robe, cap, sash and envelope will be made of the same material. But I got acclimated to it with time and the elimination of the throat slitting gestures helped. Church historian answers. Does that men the Church is sexist against men? 6) No effect. You may also like:Is there precedent for the First Presidencys involvement in encouraging members to be vaccinated? However I imagine the fundamental differences you are referring to might be different than the ones I am referring to. The point is that he felt that in the few years he had been a member of the Church, every General Conference address about men had focused on their depravity and need to repent; while every address about women had focus on our spirituality and eternal value. Jesus said of children, Of such is the kingdom of God (Mark 10:14). Abraham did it, and it will come back someday, so stay tuned. We live at a time when there is increasing commotion and chaos in the world, and that will continue.. Updated July 16, 2021 A selection of temple from around the world where new temple presidents and matrons have been called to serve, beginning in August of 2021. The many complaints, comments, feedback received, combined with dwindling attendance and availability of ordinance workers. I tried to understand and all I got were platitudes at best and treated like I was evil at worst. ) What exactly is complementary in the temple between men and women? I grew up outside the Mormon trail and was exposed to what was at that time called anti-Mormon literature detailing the temple ceremony. Full stop. Likewise, were asked explicitly to stand in here. Yet somehow, neither the Lord nor the Prophets ever said anything derogatory about those that were never called to participate, only those that were *unwilling* to do so. I think its going to be a terrific help for folks new to the temple. Im at the point of believing that these secret/sacred rituals were only developed to keep a lid on JSs polygamy, for which I have such abhorrence and strongly believe its not from God. But keeping preside in the sealing ceremony keeps women in the one down position regardless of Elder Soares desire to soften and change the meaning of preside. Read about the dedication at Church News. It is gender normative in a weird way, though, and one thing I found disturbing is that if there are not enough male patrons, they will pair up two women, but I dont believe they will ever pair up two men. Several symbols are used in multiple ways. A womans psyche can be harmed by her husbands poor choices (as can a husband by his wifes), but there are pros and cons to any situation. Making amends in an unapologetic world: No forgiveness for institutions incapable of public repentance. so that sounds more like something man has created. . It might look nice visually. On the subject of the fig treewell have to agree to disagree. The Lord gave us mortal bodies and a temporal salvation as an escape from the telestial fig fruit trap. By wearing the fig emblem of Satan/Cain throughout the entirety of the presentation of the endowment, we symbolically reject the sacrifice the Lord made in order to give us earth, embodiment, and resurrection. Im left with too many questions. The ceremony at that time still included the violent death consequence hand motions for disclosing the signs and tokensthat rocked me. We now read Section 132 differently but only because we ignore the actual text. Thanks for that insight, but if you truly want to engage here next time you could make that point without insulting everyone whos commented. A May 24, 2021, letter announced that time-only marriages in the temple will no longer be performed. New members of the Presidency of the Seventy, eight new General Authorities, and 77 new area seventies were announced during the Saturday afternoon session of the April 2021 general conference. Yall, stop trying to take away the coolest part of temple clothes ;-). Our society is finally slowly but surely tearing patriarchy down. Learn More about Temples. [pause] . I lost my trust. That He and Father knew I was going to make mistakes and counseled about it before the world was created and prepared a way to save all of us. November 25, 2022 - Christmas lights are on at LDS Temple Square in SLC despite the ongoing construction November 18, 2022 - Temple Square Offers Christmas Experiences Despite Construction September 26, 2022 - Temple Update: Historic Temple Square Renovation Continues Ditto to the changes they had already made to the initiatory. I asked my bishop about some of the specifics of the initiatory ceremony based on what I had read and he outright misrepresented the ordinance, and then shamed me for questioning such a sacred thing. Continuing movement toward gender equality. . These are gas lighty statements that try to put women on a pedestal so that if we move we will fall off and it will be seen as our fault for saying anything that isnt positive. In 2019, there were 16,565,036 members, and in 2018 there were 16,313,735. The second set of changes was in 2020 but I am not clear on what those changes were. Israel was placed under covenant to be the Lords peopleand what did he require of them in order to live up to that covenant? I tried to ask and got told my being so bold as to ask was a bad attitude and would take me straight to hell. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Given Phase 2-B status May 24, 2021. @jack, nope, nope, nope, and nope. She also knows that I think shes really *really* nice to look at. There was nothing secret about Masonry by Josephs timeall was published publicly by anti-Masonic factions. Started Phase 1 June 15, 2020; Phase 2 Aug. 31, 2020; Phase 2-B June 21, 2021; and Phase 3 July 5, 2021. I stood in a prayer circle with sister missionaries a couple of times and no one said boo about it. 3) Im guessing the changes were motivated by our ever-changing society, and their impact will be that people living in said society will better understand the things Father wants us to know. I finally gave up after first beating myself up for making no progress. I meant to write meditation, not mediation. the instructions surrounding the actual endowmentthen no, I dont think theres a plausible argument for that, nor do I think the Church nor the prophets have ever claimed them to be. Its not fun to be out of step. Maybe if they decommissioned the use in the temple . Let me ask you a question: what was the difference between Cains and Abels offerings? He said no. My recommend lapsed during COVID, and I no longer attend church. 2021, 4:00 p.m. . Getting signs and tokens to pass by the angels and get you into heaven is kind of the opposite of accepting Christ, repenting, and getting to Heaven through the atonement. Which make symbols a BAD way to teach religious principle unless those symbols are explained. @not a cougar, I thought there was some weird rule that elders and sisters couldnt pair up for the prayer circle. I think that we've noticed that relationships have already been built because they're seeing the members of their district here, said President Benson L. Porter, president of the Provo MTC. I believe its a continuation of what President Nelson started with the focus on the name of the Church. I regularly attended for 20-25 years, each time diligently seeking to break through the symbolism to understand things. Even if youre right and its all of the ordinances, the reality is still that the promises given to men and women in the temple are not the same. Like several of you commenting, I was a dedicated temple-goer for several decades, attending on average once a month. 3 & 4) no witness couple is fine I guess, although the participatory elements (including the other ones eliminated) will probably make it more likely people will snooze through the whole thing, esp with 13 extra minutes of REM cycle It is a step forward to having more resources that are child-centric.. Elisa, the only rule I recall was that missionaries werent allowed to perform sealings. Read it. Thats not to say that the man is absent. 2) Im assuming these Jesus pics are all going to be Nordic Tinder Jesus, but its still an improvement over Supercuts Adam By referring or linking you to this website, we do not endorse or guarantee this content, products, or services offered. Its an interesting acceleration that matches the explosion of Latter-day Saint temple building during church President Russell M. Nelsons administration. We were pretty poor for many years , so that was as close to these vacation spots I was going to get . Or pick up trash on a highway? Listing the 5 covenants made while youre sitting down with your family right before a wedding or mission is not informed consent. I have no issue with them. People sometimes confuse the ordinance of the endowment with the presentation of the endowment. It represents the potential to bring forth lifeeven eternal lives, if you will. He used Masonry as a common fraternal society, necessary for the recruitment of labor and voluntary work, and also to embark on settling sovereign landthats it. Is it nice not to have to stand up and make changes to clothing? They feel a desire to receive and honor sacred temple covenants throughout their lives. Not only is it important that we receive an inheritance of flesh and boneit is also crucial that we take our first steps as life givers. I thought it was a nice comment on the beauty of our flawed humanity. Prior to the open house, media and invited guests toured the building, including 15 members of other faiths. Let me share an example: almost 30 years ago, a man I know was a full-time missionary when President Hinckley gave a General Conference talk about the women of the Church. If my husband were to exercise control or dominionover me, would that be the Churchs fault? Admit it. Im sorry you think Im not being honest with myself, that Im not allowing myself to see, but I think I see quite clearly. I too find the prayer circle to benot my fave. Andy Larsen: Heres where National Weather Service forecasts flooding, in the short term and the long term, Murray police officers were justified in their use of force against a 52-year-old man who died after arrest, Salt Lake County D.A. I have to give the church some points for trying to respond to criticisms about the temple regarding informed consent and sexism. @fred if its any comfort to you, I have asked multiple people and none have any clue what that Trib article is referring to. . And to pollinate, a wasp enters the fruit, loosing its heavenly wings upon entrance and unable to escape: the wasps dead body pollinates the flower inside the fruit. Im not a big fan of all of these changes. There is no textual basis for applying it to monogamous marriage. (1) D&C 22 refers to a new and an everlasting covenant. @BigSky, thank you for sharing your experience (and your comment wasnt too long or selfish). Wouldnt that previous language suggest that the revision also relates to husbands, ie, marriage? So why doesnt the man need to be protected as a matter of navigating sacred space, but the woman does? I also like that they are trying to do something to create a more Christ centered experience. The version that was being used when I had my personal endowment experience 20+ years ago? It seems like it took so long, two hours plus. For me personally, however, the greatest evidence that Joseph was tuned into the ancient Israelite temple, is his tactful coordination of the first temple ordinances, directly with the Hebrew calendar and the ancient Israelite Festivals (King, Calendar, and Covenant: Joseph Smith, Restored Temple Ordinances, and Israelite Temple Festivals https://academia.edu/resource/work/94819636). I think some of the anxiety that they may have felt before where everything was new, is gone. There is no hand-to-hand touching until the end, when individuals pass through the veil. Our Church is structured, intentionally, as a patriarchy in which the men lead and the women follow. And as such, it is a symbol that is charged with profound meaning when considered within the context of temple theology. Frankly, thats how the lesser law comes to us. And unifying men and women in an eternal complimentary relationship is the key to eternal life and felicity. The gospel and the temple bring me abundant peace and radiant joy. (I am not sure whether that language is the same now but thats what it was 16 yrs ago when I got married: I gave myself to my husband and he received me; he didnt give himself to me because he cant: he may be sealed to multiple women so cannot give himself to any one of them.). No longer interested. You ask, Where in the D&C does it distinguish between polygamous sealings and monogamous sealings? It doesnt, and thats exactly my point. First Presidency announces changes to the temple endowment ceremony By The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints July 20, 2020 12:23 PM MDT The First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released the following message on Monday, July 20, 2020, about changes to the temple endowment ceremony: All of the sexist, polygamist, coercive elements are fundamentally disturbing to me. If someone wants to spend their time, energy, and resources, attending a house of worship, pledging to keep religious commandments, remain faithful to their spouse, and share their talents to bless other peoplewhy are there so many skeptics and non-believers trying so heartily to dissuade them? I was more shocked that I had to covenant to OBEY my husband. In the hierarchy of the church we women are only gifted with the choice to submit and consent, or to withhold our consent and be seen as disrespectful (and be destroyed). What operations does a woman do nearer the center? I have perfect trust that as I keep my mind and spirit open to light and truth, I will continue to be taught until all is clear, and it will be more beautiful and holy than my own small thoughts and ideas could have ever conjured up. I know there are those who dont believe it is, but personally I think they are fooling themselves. 2) No effect. Temple Square in Salt Lake City before the Saturday morning session of October 2021 general conference. The Conference Center reopened to the public for tours on June 14. We all can enter the celestial glory despite our sins. Inasmuch as were here having a new experience with no memory of our deep past it is only logical that the gospel is bound to come to us in the abstract. Is there any plausible argument remaining that the temple ceremony is of ancient, unchanging origin? I do think 2020 was just reducing physical contact for Covid. In Judaism, the emphasis of covenant is kinship, and the central metaphor is marriage, unity, at-one-ment. No reconciliation. Just after the PoX, I gave my bishop my recommend and told him I would let him know when I wanted it back. Ward and and stake boundaries are established according to how many priesthood holders pay tithes in the area. No other arrangement will do. Therefore, effective immediately, all temple patrons and workers are asked to wear face masks at all times while in the temple. And thats one of the reasons why I believe this life is vital for everyoneeven those who have never so much as heard the name of the Savior. The Freemasons from our community sponsored us. Read more about the notice at Church News. And it is taking the family with it. In order to be one in a truly intimate safe relationship men and women have to relate as equals rather than one up, one down and protected in a lower hierarchy, veiled position. And will know our righteousness level just by knowing us better than we know ourselves. Anyone familiar with LDS doctrine should easily equate Jehovah in the endowment with Jesus, so I dont know what some pictures of Jesus are really going to add. Its interesting to read about the changes, but I wont be going to see them. Patriarchy in and of itself is not evil. Really appreciate the honesty here as well as the respect for what others find sacred and meaningful. As I ve said before: patriarchy needs to be cleansed not destroyed and matriarchy exalted. Many people there will only attend the temple once, some mostly paid for by the One Time Temple Patron Assistance Fund. Hey Holly, I find membership and attendance at church and temple very fulfilling. Im sure a lot of people equated them, 150 years agoperhaps even some of the prophetsbut the Doctrine and Covenants make it *extremely* clear that they are different, and Im very surprised that anyone still thinks they arent. My earlier response and appreciation was for you. His deep concern for children and youth must continue to be our deep concern.. Ive had the thought, If they really want to increase temple attendance, they should just go full monty with the video. And that God knew in some things wed choose poorly. We truly are a worldwide church now. . Not all jurisdictions recognize civil marriages performed by local leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Todd Comptons book In Sacred Loneliness likewise provides detailed historical accounts. As for same sex prayer circle pairings, while I have wondered about the possibility, I dont recall ever seeing any. The temple instructions simply reiterate the order of the family: each wife is to hearken to her husband as he hearkens to the Father. To me, that seems pretty simple: if your husband doesnt hearken to Father, you shouldnt hearken to him; and if he does hearken to Father, hes making you a full partner in all decision-making, anyway. In an effort to keep temples open, the First Presidency asked members to wear face masks in the temple. To me adding pictures of Jesus to the endowment misses the point when correcting the problem that the endowment has nothing to do with Jesus and the atonement. During October 2021 general conference, the prophet announced 13 temples, bringing the total number of temples announced this year to 34. I feel bored, discounted and coerced by those who ask me to sit in silence and believe everything someone in authority says. I dont care. 5) Im not aware of the covenants changing in any significant way, so Im not sure this question really applies. Either way, Im good with it. That delay meant we married six months later, and due to health problems that came on shortly after our marriage, our childbearing was delayed by some 7 years. Somehow we are prevented from seeing and knowing our own domination, even when its clearly and openly documented in our sacred books, and happening in our relationships and church and temple practice. Multiple reminders that this is symbolic. Some of us just wish the Church would move a little faster on this issue than it is. I feel sad because I loved the idea of eternal family. The church immediately switched to the slide show, and then in April 2019, Van Wagenen was charged with sexual abuse of another child. Enjoy! I remember putting on my veil and trying to tie the bow above my ear per the instructions, when my mom said that was just for the men. It appears that Leah Remini has written a book and produced a show on leaving Scientology. So I havent gone through the endowment ceremony since before the switch to the slide show. Heaven in not like an armed camp where we need secret passwords to get in. . Our lives and our family have been irrevocably changed due to his misuse of Priesthood authority, and I fully recognize that. Celestial Room, and in other areas in the Temple, if you need to communicate, As for your experience, I would never deign to claim it nonexistent because mine are different. Recognizing the fundamental differences between men and women is not sexism. But there. I dont need someone in authority to tell me what to think. I may have rushed to judgement a bit. I did not expect the overall reverence that you feel just when you walk in the door. Cant the man and woman embrace each other, so they are both at the center and at the edge at the same time? In other words, if you want salvation, you must go through the temple, and so you have to come to church and pay tithing. I still discover weird stuff about the temple now and then. Candidly, I dont think theres an argument that that Church and temple liturgy isnt structurally sexist. The temple has never been the place in which I found peace or inspiration. Some things go without saying. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints instituted a number of revisions last week to the temple endowment ceremony. Believe in women more, Jack. (1) The LDS version of covenant is contractual, obligatoryinfantilized into a model of promises. So, credit where credit is due, but for many of us, its too little too late. On Sunday, the prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced plans to build 13 new temples throughout the world. At this point I will never go to the temple again. I like Jesus, so why not have more of him on screen? I just dont see things the same as you, and thats okay. First sentence: So say the racists, so say sexists. The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, the Presidency of the Seventy, and the Area Presidency determine the need for the advisers. Travis, I typically enjoy reading your commentsbut I disagree with you on this one, brother. The fig is a telestial order, the vine is a terrestrial order, and the olive is a celestial order. The day I went, I learned the initiatory ceremony was exactly as describe in the book I read. The woman is veiled within the stewardship of the man as a matter of protecting and navigating sacred space. I was endowed back in the penalty days and that part of the endowment still played out in my head every time I went. That is kind of anti-atonement, then we can add a picture of Jesus with a certificate saying you have been forgiven, charge $50 for small sins, $1,000 for big sins and of course have a better quality picture of Jesus, maybe with a guided frame, and now selling indulgences is what Jesus would do. But a well-meaning elder instructed me, in a Priesthood blessing, not to get married yet. I have no idea what prompted the changes, but based on my experience I suspect part of the reason was to help those participating in the rite to understand it better. I would actually love to display my grandmas apron (that she made, and wore herself) somewhere in my home as its a beautiful part of my heritage.
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